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Same plane or not?

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Сообщение Flight fan » 09 июн 2014, 21:01

While i was trying to track down RA-64016 to see what had happened to that plane after 2011, i found something strange. Looking through RZJets, my best source for stuff like this, i found that RA-64048 was "ntu" by Red Wings, which i assumes means "not taken up" and delivered instead to Air Koryo as P-633. But if so, what plane is this? It is said to be RA-64048, but i can't find any other photos of it, and i would really like to see more of that livery.

Another one that caught my attention was RA-64012, delivered to Vnukovo Airlines. Only one photo of it seems to exist under their ownership, taken in 1995. As you can see, it is a Tu-204-100. But it is listed as a Tu-204-300 at RZJets, and also shown as a Tu-204-300 with Air Koryo. The construction number is the same on both the 1995 photo of the -100 and the 2008 photo of the -300. Is it the same plane?

The final one for now is RA-64049, and this is a real strange one. There are two listed on RZJets, one Tu-214-100B and one Tu-204-100B/E, both built in the same year and owned by Red Wings. However, all the photos that i can find of it lists it as a Tu-204-100V, but with the same cn as the -100B/E on RZJets. Are these two (three?) planes the same one?

This thread may come back to life if i find any other interesting subjects, so don't expect it to just vanish after these questions are answered.
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Сообщение ok101 » 09 июн 2014, 21:10

Hi, Oskar,
Here is quick reply: I'm not familiar with RZJ, using Russianplanes.net instead, check these three links for the 204s which interest you. If any help needed with translation of particular parts, let me know.
http://russianplanes.net/reginfo/38
http://russianplanes.net/reginfo/34
http://russianplanes.net/reginfo/71
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Сообщение Flight fan » 09 июн 2014, 21:43

Thanks Oleg. Thanks to you i have the answers i was looking for:

RA-64012 is the same plane as P-632, but shortened. Interesting.

RA-64016 is stored and owned by Red Wings. I'm guessing they are using it for spare parts then. Or are they preparing it to enter service again? That part i might need help translating, to see if Google got it right: 20 ноября 2012 перелетел в ЛИИ на восстановление для Red Wings.

RA-64048 is indeed delivered to Air Koryo as P-633, but did wear that orange livery and Red Wings logo in 2009. That page does however refuse to translate, but as i understand it Red Wings never operated that aircraft.

RA-64049 is a Tu-204-100B/E, so the RZJets entry listing it as a Tu-214 is incorrect. That would explain why it doesn't have any data for it, but there are a few that do lack that even if the entry itself is correct.
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Сообщение ok101 » 10 июн 2014, 12:38

Flight fan писал(а):Thanks Oleg. Thanks to you i have the answers i was looking for:

Never mind! :) You are always welcome, you know.

Flight fan писал(а):RA-64016 is stored and owned by Red Wings. I'm guessing they are using it for spare parts then. Or are they preparing it to enter service again? That part i might need help translating, to see if Google got it right: 20 ноября 2012 перелетел в ЛИИ на восстановление для Red Wings.


"On 20/11/2012 have flown to LII for recovery for Red Wings". For LII (Zhukovsky) see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gromov_Flight_Research_Institute
But in the frame further at the page is written: на хранении (в ЛИИ) (you understand? ;) ) - "stored in LII". So, it's unclear about his future, but I always hope for the best. :)

Flight fan писал(а):RA-64048 is indeed delivered to Air Koryo as P-633, but did wear that orange livery and Red Wings logo in 2009. That page does however refuse to translate, but as i understand it Red Wings never operated that aircraft.

Try to translate it by quotes... :D maybe then Google translate would "switch on"... :D :D :D
It is like that: 64048 в момент постройки - в то время еще для Ред Вингз. Позднее, осенью 2009 года самолет использовался в качестве ЛЛ для испытаний ПС-90А2, а затем был перекрашен в цвета Air Koryo.

So, while being built the 64048 was planned for Red Wings, but later was used for flying tests of PS-90A2 engines in LII, then repainted for Air Koryo.
Strange thing is that on the same page it is written that Aviastar was registered owner, not LII (maybe a formal owner, then?).
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Сообщение Flight fan » 10 июн 2014, 22:05

ok101 писал(а):"On 20/11/2012 have flown to LII for recovery for Red Wings". For LII (Zhukovsky) see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gromov_Flight_Research_Institute
But in the frame further at the page is written: на хранении (в ЛИИ) (you understand? ;) ) - "stored in LII". So, it's unclear about his future, but I always hope for the best. :)


That's exactly what Google Translate got it to. "Flown to LII for recovery for Red Wings." So it did get it right. I just wonder what that means. :wassat:
Stored is better than scrapped anyway, and like you i am hoping for the best. Maybe it will return to the sky some day.

ok101 писал(а):Try to translate it by quotes... :D maybe then Google translate would "switch on"... :D :D :D
It is like that: 64048 в момент постройки - в то время еще для Ред Вингз. Позднее, осенью 2009 года самолет использовался в качестве ЛЛ для испытаний ПС-90А2, а затем был перекрашен в цвета Air Koryo.

So, while being built the 64048 was planned for Red Wings, but later was used for flying tests of PS-90A2 engines in LII, then repainted for Air Koryo.
Strange thing is that on the same page it is written that Aviastar was registered owner, not LII (maybe a formal owner, then?).


Well, maybe. :P

So they never did accept the plane. That's a shame, it would've looked great flying in that livery.
But would LII actually be written as the owner of the plane? I'm not sure how that works to be honest.
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